Birthrights - Hard Labour in Hungary

mrpoca0 Says:

Apr 29, 2012 - This is where the synthesis between the new age cult of self-esteem and cultural marxist dogma has brought us - a woman's whim takes precedence before legitimate health and safety concerns. It's more important for women to feel validated than it is to bring a healthy child into this world under safe and hygienic conditions. This fraud and quack makes me sick and I fully support the Hungarian government for taking this course of action.

amameda1 Says:

Nov 27, 2011 - NE LISEZ PAS CE MESSAGE !! Je sais pas si je dois le croire mais je ne préfère ne pas prendre le risque Désolé . 1945,une jeune fille nommée lata kulu vint en Amérique dans un bateau gris venu d'Afrique. Un homme etrange la tua en gravant le mot "LATUALATUKA" dans son dos. Maintenant si tu as lu ce message elle viendra pendant une pleine lune dans ta maison et te volera ton ame a moins que tu ne suives ces instructions. 1.Réécris ce message en commentaires dans trois

msmaszat Says:

May 15, 2011 - and that is why any homebirth/midwifery system must be fully regulated and midwives should receive proper medical training. Regulation includes not allowing women with a history of labor complications, twin births, not proper fetal position, and many other risks to birth at home. It is this regulation and support for GOOD midwives who comply with them that is missing in Hungary. Many would argue with the vaccination-thought, but I'm a moderate on that one.

msmaszat Says:

May 15, 2011 - Alright, I think we can agree on that. Thanks for your points.

Kompolthy Says:

May 15, 2011 - you still insisted on giving birth far from a hospital and medical conduct. Or stop feeding him/her or refusing to give him/her the proper vaccinations. Those acts are all putting the life of the child in danger. Uncomplicated pregnancies are another matter, the only problem being that sometimes it's quite hard to differentiate between the two.

Kompolthy Says:

May 15, 2011 - you fully own your own body but as far as law and ethics are concerned the child from the 3th month of his/her life onwards is considered an individual being not merely a part of your body but a living being of its own. (of course that is an artificial distinction, thing is he/she is not a property of anyone) you can make decisions about him/her as long as they are clearly not putting him in danger. like if you were having a pregnancy with foreseeable complications and

msmaszat Says:

May 15, 2011 - Oh, and saying that no one has the right to risk someone else's life, well you are right. No one is trying to do that. And medical profs only know part of the story. And a very controversial question is :who has the right to make decisions about babies? Does society? Do doctors? Or do the parents who invited/created this new life and carried/nurtured it from themselves for 9 months? Do others "own" my baby? Can they make decisions about her? How about me and my own body?

msmaszat Says:

May 15, 2011 - when the nurses are "showing" you how to breastfeed but "massage" your full breasts so hard to soften them up that you want to punch them, when they don't tell you when they do an episiotomy, well, I call that scary. And if it is scary, labor stops. I think I did my best by NOT bringing my low-risk, picture perfect pregnancy and labor even near a hospital. I would have risked the health of my baby by going to a hospital.

Kompolthy Says:

May 15, 2011 - I totally agree with that and also with the fact that in the present system mothers are often mistreated and that anyone giving birth anywhere deserves to be treated as a healthy human being rather than some kind of sick person which is sometimes the conducting doctor's attitude. I'm just saying that the solution for this could be the improvement of present circumstances IN the hospital and even founding of birth homes CLOSE to hospitals but certainly not homebirths far away from them

msmaszat Says:

May 15, 2011 - Well, in the hospitals that I know (emphasis) those circumstances do exist. When the nurses tell you to stop screaming because you may scare other moms, when numerous people come in to see you labor while you are spread-eagle on your back, unable to move around, like you long to, when the doctor comes in to catch the baby and walks out with a hefty chunk of gratuity money, when they expect you to "progress" or else they intervene "to save the baby" and get home for dinner,

msmaszat Says:

May 15, 2011 - Hi, I must say your rhetoric is excellent, but let me just bring up a thought from Ina May Gaskin, which is now widely- meaning by MANY med. professionals- shared: that is, that the circumstances in which the birth happens and the psychological state of the laboring mother has a physical/anatomical effect on the birth process, that is, a feeling of vulnerability, exposure, humiliation, helplessness and abuse can actually halt/stop labor.

Kompolthy Says:

May 15, 2011 - whatever I can't post it:) Youtube thinks it's spam.you can find it in google THE AMERICAN COLLEGE OF OBSTETRICIANS AND GYNECOLOGISTS ISSUES OPINION ON PLANNED HOME BIRTHS:Opinion today that says although the absolute risk of planned home births is low, published medical evidence shows it does carry a two- to three-fold increase in the risk of newborn death compared with planned hospital births. That said from now on I kindly ask people to argue instead of boasting

Kompolthy Says:

May 15, 2011 - the ones in hospital, they also say that this fact mainly comes from the careful selection of applicants AND the well-developed health system and transport in a country where should complications arise, mothers can be brought to hospital in no time (now if you compare it to Hungary an average Hungarian will just give you a sarcastic smile) And lastly this is the official American opinion

Kompolthy Says:

May 15, 2011 - Look people we're all throwing here and there "facts" that sound really promising (like the 90% safety rate or so) but without either one of us knowing the ACTUAL numbers, or if any of us do she/he has certainly failed to post them. Of course different studies depend on the circumstences in which they were carried out; this whole thing made me interested and I found that: 1. While the freshest date available is a study in the Netherlands that sais home births are as safe as

msmaszat Says:

May 13, 2011 - It is fascinating to read comments about how dangerous home births are- the thing is, 90 percent of births are low-risk, that is, there is no imminent danger to mom or baby. These births, as it is now acknowledged by many renowned medical professionals, could be safely managed at home. As far as the legal case of Gereb goes, like they say it over and over again, without a professional midwife association, there is no one to advise any court on whether she should be charged at all. Outrageous.

munkaaaa Says:

May 9, 2011 - Because I simply can and have the opportunity to do so. I don't agree with the routine procedures that take place in hospitals at child births. You are right, there are situations when proffessional care and equipment are necessary but they're are used excessively even in situations when there is no need whatsoever. The self-conceit of doctors wanting to be the "conductors" of the childbirth is absolutely preposterous. Anyway, complications during labor are rare, no point in arguing

Kompolthy Says:

May 9, 2011 - And lastly, talking about sarcasm: do you know what fools doctors are? They often administer vitamins and folic acid to the mother during pregnancy as a precaution because the lack of these things in the mother may lead to the child being born with an open spine and a crippling physical defect- EVEN THOUGH only a tiny portion of mothers lack these things so they choose to give to those who are not in need rather than risk the child to be crippled. Isn't that an idiocy? (hope you noticemy sarcasm

Kompolthy Says:

May 9, 2011 - results in the death of the infant, the mother or both. That's the whole point. If you've studied statistics you know probability means that a greater percentage of mothers giving birth at home will have problems with solving the issues that MAY arise during birthgiving not the fact that women giving birth outside hospital will all die and those giving birth in hospital will all live which is a nonsense. Thing is: you cannot endanger the life another human, whatever your views are.

Kompolthy Says:

May 9, 2011 - how can you ask it in a tone that suggests you're a professional and the person who's not on your opinion is a layman knowing nothing?:) just a question

Kompolthy Says:

May 9, 2011 - @munkaaaa: Now in that style you see we really can argue with each other. Looking back at it my comments may have been emotionally overheated at the time when I made them but the point I still believe in, only I should've expressed it in a way more understanding towards others. The point is: gving birth to a child is a perfectly natural process that does not need a qualified doctor to be present only a carer-in the majority of cases!!! BUT in some cases the lack of a qualified medical staff

munkaaaa Says:

May 9, 2011 - Ah so you're a medic wannabe? I should've found out that from your comments. Getting your head out of your own ass could widen your view upon childbirths in general. Medics look at it with a pathological point of view which in my opinion is a bit egocentric and stupid. But hey, you may be right, a woman's body is defective and unable to give birth to a child in most cases (i hope you observe my sarcasm).

Kompolthy Says:

May 8, 2011 - In what sense do you mean my friend? I've been learning it for more than 12 years now including higher education. What's the case with you? Judging from your style I doubt you've had any education at all but I may be wrong.

munkaaaa Says:

May 8, 2011 - learn some basic biology. retard

Kompolthy Says:

Apr 20, 2011 - to be called on ocassions (not every time) to home births- if those mothers gave birth in hospital the necessary needs would have been provided at once without the delay of transport. And just another thing: your "martyr" as you may not know, was sentenced for the death of 2 babies who died under her conduct of the labour from hypoxia- that is they suffoccated. A simple intubation and they could still be with us to this day. That woman is a murderer and deserves to be treated as such